(upbeat music) – Now it’s interesting. There’s something we have in common, we both have a common friend, called Joe Vitale, right? – Yes. – Which is in, “The Secret”. – Yes. Now, you’ve watched The Secret. First of all, when you watch it, what did you think of it, first of all. – I didn’t believe in anything at all. (laughing) – I mean, what is “The Secret”? – Yeah, well what is it? And then when I found out, I read it, I was almost angry because I knew it didn’t work. So, I started to do all these things that it tells you, just to prove it wrong. – Yes, yes. (laughing) Example such as visualization, Right? Affirmation, and different things? – Correct. – Yes. – Again, you could just sit there and imagine things, and they will happen. Of course, I didn’t believe it. – And I think that’s a very interesting point. Because I think a lot of people, when they watch, “The Secret,” or they first learn of the Law of Attraction, And at the time, “The Secret” was so popular. – Yeah. – Like millions, and millions, and millions of people watched it the movie or read the book.
But I think most of them misunderstood what it is. About the Laws of Success. Where, yes, you could attract the things that you want, and I think both you and I. we attract, we manifest what we want, but it’s not like, oh, just sit there, and you visualize, and you chant, and something comes falling on your lap. It’s not like that at all, right? – Absolutely not. – What do you think is missing for most people when they understand the Law of Attraction? But they don’t fully apply it in their life? Why is it most people will not be able to manifest what they want? Even if they understand the Law of Attraction? – Well, at first, two things really, is what I think, and what I don’t think.
I have seen it with my eyes what people can do. And, first of all, is to have limiting beliefs. They don’t believe that they will get it. And don’t have, they don’t feel strong enough for it, and the other thing, is action. Which is “The Secret”, unfortunately misses a lot. But you can’t just sit on a chair and it’s gonna happen to you. You need to take massive action. If you want a certain item, go and look at it. And then go and talk to people who already has it. Or if you want a certain promotion, find someone that already doing it.
I mean, do you need to take massive action? And that’s when everything starts to fall into place? But action is the key to any success. – And in your whole journey, while you’re building your company, what are some of the struggles, you were experiencing? Maybe even some big mistakes that you made? That you wish you could avoid? – Well, my first company I ever founded, it went bankrupt after– – Oh, wow. – After one and 1/2 year.
And I started to invest. It went good the first one and 1/2 year. But when I started to accumulate income and funds, I started to invest them in the wrong things. – Such as? – The wrong location and offices. Wrong staff that couldn’t do the job. Or I was just picking someone, because I needed someone quick, you know? – Which is the worst time to hire someone is when you need someone quick, right. – Exactly. Yeah. – We know that. – We just did the first one. Yeah, so, that was one of my more biggest business failures, I guess. But it also taught me how not to do it.
And now you have a staff of over 200. – Yes, correct. – 200 somewhat people. So, first from there to now, how do you manage your organization? What’s your management philosophy? What’s your leadership style? Just curious. – I’ve been studying so many leaders through my career, and what I understood that they, to be a great leader, there is two ways to lead. You can lead with fear, or you can with inspiration. A lot of, we all think about that horrible boss we once had, we all had that kind of manager– – Especially in Asia, even in Thailand, Malaysia, or China, it’s always top to bottom. It’s always more like, he’s just a boss. And everybody, what’s your style? – I see that in many organizations, and usually managers or bosses, they think that they’re better and above everyone else.
I like to be among everyone, but also lead with inspiration, instead. If you lead with inspiration, people will tend to stay with you for a very long time. But if you lead with fear, sooner or later, they cannot handle it anymore, and then you lose great people. You lose great managers within the organization. I wouldn’t say the company is all behind me now.
I mean, I have fantastic managers, and executives that are leading the departments they have to do, and without them, we wouldn’t be having the success we have today. So, it’s very important to culture, make these managers into great people that leads with inspiration, as well. – And with your company, do you structure where, how do you structure? Do you have an executive team where, then different projects, you have one lead, that’s managing, saying, this property? How do you do that? – Well, everything is broke up into departments. Where I have sales department, marketing department, H.R. department, finance, accounting. And all these departments to break into different departments that are led by certain executives, where a manager that is controlling it right? – Okay, okay. – And then it’s all connected up. So, yeah. – Okay. Okay. And then from there, you say to lead with inspiration. How do you, example, how do you empower your team to be able to grow, and also empower them with responsibility, right? When they are, we’re talking anytime doing a big development like this, there’s a lot of capital involved.
– Sure. – There’s a lot of risk involved, too. – Of course. – And there’s no way, because you are a serial entrepreneur, you’re managing so many things. You can’t be micromanaging, and then trying to get your hands in everything. What do you do? – Well, it’s the same thing. You need to have good trust in the people that are work under you. So they need to do their duties and tasks that you tell them to do. But you need have clear system how they could do it. And of course, whenever I hire someone, I also show them, as a good leader, how to do it. And I just not tell people what to do, because if you do it that as a good leader, and show them the way first, and how you execute that, a perfect do your job, they tend to like you a lot more, and give you trust and respect for you. – I think I saw one of the quotes, on social media, they talk about, “Spend more time with your people.” – Of course. – As a leader, right? – Yes. – Are you talking about coaching them, and then mentoring them? – All this is important.
We even go on holidays together. We have been to different countries together. With the staff and managers. We jump out of planes together. And we skydiving together. – Try to convince me to jump out of a plane. Like let me think about that. (laughing) – But I’m still here. It should be okay. – Yeah, I’ve done bungee jumping, but not like from a plane. – It’s a bit higher. – It’s something I want on my bucket list, though. – Well, I do it because you kill fears. – Well, I do it because you kill fears. And why do we do it? It’s a psychological aspect where you jump. But I mean can you ever think about something more scary to do in your life? – Yes. – Probably not, so you if you can do that, nothing else gonna scare you. And usually fear is something that stops you from achieving certain things, so it keeps you back.
So why not just attack them, get it done. – That’s right, that’s right. .