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REMAINS ON THE SHUTDOWN AND THE STALEMATE WITH THE GOVERNMENT. STALEMATE WITH THE GOVERNMENT. >> KRISTEN WELKER, THANK YOU. >> KRISTEN WELKER, THANK YOU. >>> TO THE LAWMAKER AT THE >>> TO THE LAWMAKER AT THE CENTER OF THE NEGOTIATIONS, CENTER OF THE NEGOTIATIONS, NANCY PELOSI. NANCY PELOSI. SHE’S EXPECTED TO RECLAIM THE SHE’S EXPECTED TO RECLAIM THE GAVEL AS SPEAKER OF THE HOUSE GAVEL AS SPEAKER OF THE HOUSE TODAY WHEN THE 116th CONGRESS TODAY WHEN THE 116th CONGRESS CONVENES. CONVENES. I SAT DOWN WITH HER YESTERDAY I SAT DOWN WITH HER YESTERDAY FOR AN EXCLUSIVE INTERVIEW ON A FOR AN EXCLUSIVE INTERVIEW ON A RANGE OF TOPICS FROM THE MUELLER RANGE OF TOPICS FROM THE MUELLER INVESTIGATION TO WHAT IT’S LIKE INVESTIGATION TO WHAT IT’S LIKE TO BE THE MOST POWERFUL WOMAN IN TO BE THE MOST POWERFUL WOMAN IN POLITICS, BUT WE STARTED WITH POLITICS, BUT WE STARTED WITH THE FIGHT OVER THE SHUTDOWN.

THE FIGHT OVER THE SHUTDOWN. >> THIS IS THE TRUMP SHUTDOWN >> THIS IS THE TRUMP SHUTDOWN THROUGH AND THROUGH. THROUGH AND THROUGH. THAT’S WHY HE HAS PROUDLY TAKEN THAT’S WHY HE HAS PROUDLY TAKEN IT — IN HIS VIEW PROUDLY, TAKEN IT — IN HIS VIEW PROUDLY, TAKEN OWNERSHIP OF IT. OWNERSHIP OF IT. THERE’S NO ESCAPING THAT FOR THERE’S NO ESCAPING THAT FOR HIM. HIM. THAT DOESN’T MEAN WE TAKE ANY THAT DOESN’T MEAN WE TAKE ANY JOY IN THE FACT THAT THERE IS A JOY IN THE FACT THAT THERE IS A TRUMP SHUTDOWN. TRUMP SHUTDOWN. WE WANT GOVERNMENT TO OPEN. WE WANT GOVERNMENT TO OPEN.

>> ARE YOU WILLING TO COME UP >> ARE YOU WILLING TO COME UP AND GIVE HIM SOME OF THIS MONEY AND GIVE HIM SOME OF THIS MONEY FOR THE WALL? FOR THE WALL? >> NO. >> NO. >> APPARENTLY THAT’S THE >> APPARENTLY THAT’S THE STICKING POINT. STICKING POINT. >> NO. >> NO. WE’RE TALKING ABOUT BORDER WE’RE TALKING ABOUT BORDER SECURITY. SECURITY. THERE IS NO AMOUNT OF PERSUASION THERE IS NO AMOUNT OF PERSUASION HE CAN DO TO SAY TO US WE WANT HE CAN DO TO SAY TO US WE WANT YOU TO DO SOMETHING THAT IS NOT YOU TO DO SOMETHING THAT IS NOT EFFECTIVE, THAT COSTS BILLIONS EFFECTIVE, THAT COSTS BILLIONS OF DOLLARS, THAT SENDS THE WRONG OF DOLLARS, THAT SENDS THE WRONG MESSAGE ABOUT WHAT WE ARE AS A MESSAGE ABOUT WHAT WE ARE AS A COUNTRY. COUNTRY. >> IF YOU DON’T COMPROMISE, THEN >> IF YOU DON’T COMPROMISE, THEN WHY ISN’T THE SHUTDOWN WHY ISN’T THE SHUTDOWN PARTIALLY — PARTIALLY — >> IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH US.

>> IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH US. IT’S THE PRESIDENT SAYING I WILL IT’S THE PRESIDENT SAYING I WILL HOLD SIX AGENCIES OF GOVERNMENT HOLD SIX AGENCIES OF GOVERNMENT HOSTAGE TO MY CAMPAIGN PROMISE HOSTAGE TO MY CAMPAIGN PROMISE THAT I WAS GOING TO BUILD A THAT I WAS GOING TO BUILD A WALL, AND THAT MEXICO WAS GOING WALL, AND THAT MEXICO WAS GOING TO PAY FOR IT. TO PAY FOR IT. THAT IS SO RIDICULOUS. THAT IS SO RIDICULOUS. >> HE SAYS WELL, NOW I’VE REDONE >> HE SAYS WELL, NOW I’VE REDONE THIS DEAL. THIS DEAL. NEW TRADE DEAL WITH MEXICO, SO NEW TRADE DEAL WITH MEXICO, SO ULTIMATELY MEXICO IS GOING TO ULTIMATELY MEXICO IS GOING TO PAY FOR IT. PAY FOR IT.

DO YOU BUY THAT? DO YOU BUY THAT? >> NO. >> NO. THE PRESIDENT EITHER DOESN’T THE PRESIDENT EITHER DOESN’T KNOW WHAT HE’S TALKING ABOUT OR KNOW WHAT HE’S TALKING ABOUT OR DOESN’T WANT TO KNOW WHAT HE’S DOESN’T WANT TO KNOW WHAT HE’S TALKING ABOUT. TALKING ABOUT. THERE’S NO WAY THAT MONEY FROM A THERE’S NO WAY THAT MONEY FROM A TRADE AGREEMENT MAKES A PROFIT TRADE AGREEMENT MAKES A PROFIT THAT GOES TO PAY FOR A WALL. THAT GOES TO PAY FOR A WALL. >> THE PRESIDENT TOOK A SWIPE, I >> THE PRESIDENT TOOK A SWIPE, I THINK, AS RECENTLY AS TODAY THINK, AS RECENTLY AS TODAY SAYING THAT YOU WENT ON VACATION SAYING THAT YOU WENT ON VACATION TO HAWAII DURING THE SHUTDOWN. TO HAWAII DURING THE SHUTDOWN. NOW, YOU HAD SAID BEFORE THE NOW, YOU HAD SAID BEFORE THE SHUTDOWN THAT HE WAS BEING SHUTDOWN THAT HE WAS BEING CAVALIER AND MAYBE THE SHUTDOWN CAVALIER AND MAYBE THE SHUTDOWN WILL GIVE HIM MORE TIME TO GOLF, WILL GIVE HIM MORE TIME TO GOLF, BUT IN THE END IT WAS YOU THAT BUT IN THE END IT WAS YOU THAT TOOK A HOLIDAY.

TOOK A HOLIDAY. >> I OBSERVED THE CHRISTMAS >> I OBSERVED THE CHRISTMAS HOLIDAY FOR A FEW DAYS AND I CUT HOLIDAY FOR A FEW DAYS AND I CUT IN TIME HALF THE TIME I WOULD IN TIME HALF THE TIME I WOULD HAVE HAD. HAVE HAD. >> IS THAT A CHEAP SHOT? >> IS THAT A CHEAP SHOT? >> IT’S NOT IMPORTANT. >> IT’S NOT IMPORTANT. IT’S TOTALLY UNIMPORTANT, BUT IT’S TOTALLY UNIMPORTANT, BUT THE FACT IS WE ALL STOOD READY THE FACT IS WE ALL STOOD READY AND TOLD OUR MEMBERS WE’LL HAVE AND TOLD OUR MEMBERS WE’LL HAVE 24 HOURS NOTICE FOR ALL OF US TO 24 HOURS NOTICE FOR ALL OF US TO BE WHERE WE NEED TO BE. BE WHERE WE NEED TO BE. AND THE PRESIDENT MAY NOT KNOW AND THE PRESIDENT MAY NOT KNOW THIS, BUT HAWAII IS PART OF THE THIS, BUT HAWAII IS PART OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. MAYBE HE DOESN’T REALIZE THAT. MAYBE HE DOESN’T REALIZE THAT. I DON’T KNOW WHERE THE PRESIDENT I DON’T KNOW WHERE THE PRESIDENT OBSERVED THE RELIGIOUS HOLIDAY OBSERVED THE RELIGIOUS HOLIDAY OF CHRISTMAS.

OF CHRISTMAS. DO YOU? DO YOU? >> MANY DEMOCRATS ARE TALKING >> MANY DEMOCRATS ARE TALKING ABOUT IMPEACHMENT. ABOUT IMPEACHMENT. YOU SAID IT WOULD BE SAD AND YOU SAID IT WOULD BE SAD AND DIVISIVE FOR THE COUNTRY TO DIVISIVE FOR THE COUNTRY TO PURSUE IMPEACHMENT. PURSUE IMPEACHMENT. ARE YOU WILLING TO RULE IT OUT? ARE YOU WILLING TO RULE IT OUT? >> WE HAVE TO WAIT AND SEE WHAT >> WE HAVE TO WAIT AND SEE WHAT HAPPENS WITH THE REPORT. HAPPENS WITH THE REPORT. WE SHOULDN’T BE IMPEACHING FOR A WE SHOULDN’T BE IMPEACHING FOR A POLITICAL REASON, AND WE POLITICAL REASON, AND WE SHOULDN’T AVOID IT FOR A SHOULDN’T AVOID IT FOR A POLITICAL REASON. POLITICAL REASON. WE HAVE TO SEE HOW IT COMES. WE HAVE TO SEE HOW IT COMES.

>> DO YOU BELIEVE THE SPECIAL >> DO YOU BELIEVE THE SPECIAL COUNSEL SHOULD HONOR AND OBSERVE COUNSEL SHOULD HONOR AND OBSERVE THE DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE THE DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE GUIDANCE THAT STATES A SITTING GUIDANCE THAT STATES A SITTING PRESIDENT CANNOT BE INDICTED? PRESIDENT CANNOT BE INDICTED? >> I DO NOT THINK THAT IS >> I DO NOT THINK THAT IS CONCLUSIVE. CONCLUSIVE. >> SO YOU THINK IT’S POSSIBLE >> SO YOU THINK IT’S POSSIBLE THAT SPECIAL COUNSEL MUELLER THAT SPECIAL COUNSEL MUELLER COULD LEGALLY INDICT A SITTING COULD LEGALLY INDICT A SITTING PRESIDENT? PRESIDENT? >> LET’S JUST SEE WHAT MUELLER >> LET’S JUST SEE WHAT MUELLER DOES. DOES. LET’S SPEND OUR TIME ON GETTING LET’S SPEND OUR TIME ON GETTING RESULTS FOR THE AMERICAN PEOPLE. RESULTS FOR THE AMERICAN PEOPLE. >> AS YOU WELL KNOW, THERE IS >> AS YOU WELL KNOW, THERE IS LONG-STANDING DEPARTMENT OF LONG-STANDING DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE GUIDANCE THAT STATES A JUSTICE GUIDANCE THAT STATES A SITTING PRESIDENT SHOULD NOT BE SITTING PRESIDENT SHOULD NOT BE INDICTED.

INDICTED. BUT IT IS NOT THE LAW. BUT IT IS NOT THE LAW. >> IT’S NOT THE LAW. >> IT’S NOT THE LAW. EVERYTHING INDICATES THAT A EVERYTHING INDICATES THAT A PRESIDENT CAN BE INDICTED AFTER PRESIDENT CAN BE INDICTED AFTER HE IS NO LONGER PRESIDENT OF THE HE IS NO LONGER PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES. UNITED STATES. >> WHAT ABOUT A SITTING >> WHAT ABOUT A SITTING PRESIDENT? PRESIDENT? >> WELL, THE SITTING PRESIDENT >> WELL, THE SITTING PRESIDENT WHEN HE’S NO LONGER PRESIDENT OF WHEN HE’S NO LONGER PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES. THE UNITED STATES. >> A PRESIDENT WHO IS IN OFFICE, >> A PRESIDENT WHO IS IN OFFICE, COULD MUELLER SAY I AM SEEKING COULD MUELLER SAY I AM SEEKING AN INDICTMENT? AN INDICTMENT? >> I THINK THAT’S AN OPEN >> I THINK THAT’S AN OPEN DISCUSSION IN TERMS OF THE LAW.

DISCUSSION IN TERMS OF THE LAW. >> TALK ABOUT YOUR DYNAMIC WITH >> TALK ABOUT YOUR DYNAMIC WITH PRESIDENT TRUMP. PRESIDENT TRUMP. WHAT’S IT LIKE TO NEGOTIATE WITH WHAT’S IT LIKE TO NEGOTIATE WITH HIM? HIM? >> WHEN YOU’RE NEGOTIATING WITH >> WHEN YOU’RE NEGOTIATING WITH SOMEONE, YOU HAVE TO KNOW YOU SOMEONE, YOU HAVE TO KNOW YOU STIPULATE TO SOME FACT. STIPULATE TO SOME FACT. IT’S HARD TO DO THAT WITH THE IT’S HARD TO DO THAT WITH THE PRESIDENT. PRESIDENT. HE RESISTS SCIENCE, EVIDENCE, HE RESISTS SCIENCE, EVIDENCE, DATA, TRUTH.

DATA, TRUTH. IT’S HARD TO PIN THE PRESIDENT IT’S HARD TO PIN THE PRESIDENT DOWN ON THE FACTS. DOWN ON THE FACTS. I THINK AND HOPE THAT WE CAN I THINK AND HOPE THAT WE CAN WORK TOGETHER IN A POSITIVE WAY WORK TOGETHER IN A POSITIVE WAY NOW THAT THE PRESIDENT IS MORE NOW THAT THE PRESIDENT IS MORE ACCLIMATED TO THE FACT THAT HE’S ACCLIMATED TO THE FACT THAT HE’S DEALING WITH A DEMOCRATIC DEALING WITH A DEMOCRATIC MAJORITY IN THE CONGRESS OF THE MAJORITY IN THE CONGRESS OF THE UNITED STATES. UNITED STATES. >> BUT IT’S NOT BAD, NANCY.

>> BUT IT’S NOT BAD, NANCY. IT’S CALLED TRANSPARENCY. IT’S CALLED TRANSPARENCY. >> I KNOW. >> I KNOW. IT’S NOT TRANSPARENCY WHEN WE’RE IT’S NOT TRANSPARENCY WHEN WE’RE NOT STIPULATING TO A SET OF NOT STIPULATING TO A SET OF FACTS. FACTS. >> AFTER THAT INFAMOUS OVAL >> AFTER THAT INFAMOUS OVAL OFFICE MEETING BEFORE THE OFFICE MEETING BEFORE THE HOLIDAYS, YOU REPORTEDLY CAME HOLIDAYS, YOU REPORTEDLY CAME BACK, SPOKE TO MEMBERS OF YOUR BACK, SPOKE TO MEMBERS OF YOUR CAUCUS, OTHER DEMOCRATS AND SAID CAUCUS, OTHER DEMOCRATS AND SAID THE WALL, IT SEEMS LIKE IT MIGHT THE WALL, IT SEEMS LIKE IT MIGHT BE A MANHOOD THING.

BE A MANHOOD THING. IT MIGHT BE ABOUT HIS MANHOOD. IT MIGHT BE ABOUT HIS MANHOOD. THAT’S A STATEMENT THAT’S THAT’S A STATEMENT THAT’S CAPABLE OF INTERPRETATION. CAPABLE OF INTERPRETATION. CARE TO EXPLAIN WHAT YOU MEANT? CARE TO EXPLAIN WHAT YOU MEANT? >> WELL, I WISH MY MEMBERS HAD >> WELL, I WISH MY MEMBERS HAD NOT REPEATED THAT OUTSIDE THE NOT REPEATED THAT OUTSIDE THE ROOM. ROOM. >> DO YOU THINK HE DEALS WITH >> DO YOU THINK HE DEALS WITH YOU DIFFERENTLY BECAUSE YOU’RE A YOU DIFFERENTLY BECAUSE YOU’RE A WOMAN? WOMAN? >> I HAVE NO IDEA. >> I HAVE NO IDEA. WE’LL SEE. WE’LL SEE. NOW HOW HE’LL DEAL WITH THE NOW HOW HE’LL DEAL WITH THE SPEAKER OF THE HOUSE. SPEAKER OF THE HOUSE.

THAT DOESN’T MATTER WHETHER THAT DOESN’T MATTER WHETHER YOU’RE A WOMAN OR NOT. YOU’RE A WOMAN OR NOT. BUT I HOPE HE RECOGNIZES THAT A BUT I HOPE HE RECOGNIZES THAT A NEW DAY HAS DAWNED IN AMERICA. NEW DAY HAS DAWNED IN AMERICA. >> YOU SAID IN AUGUST YOU >> YOU SAID IN AUGUST YOU THOUGHT HE MIGHT BE AFRAID OF THOUGHT HE MIGHT BE AFRAID OF YOU AND THE WOMEN COMING TO YOU AND THE WOMEN COMING TO CONGRESS.

CONGRESS. >> I DON’T KNOW IF HE KNOWS HOW >> I DON’T KNOW IF HE KNOWS HOW TO DEAL WITH WOMEN IN POWER, AND TO DEAL WITH WOMEN IN POWER, AND WOMEN WITH STRENGTH, BUT WE’LL WOMEN WITH STRENGTH, BUT WE’LL SEE. SEE. LET’S HOPE FOR THE BEST IN THAT LET’S HOPE FOR THE BEST IN THAT REGARD. REGARD. AGAIN, IT IS A NEW DAY FOR MANY AGAIN, IT IS A NEW DAY FOR MANY PEOPLE IN CONGRESS AND IN PEOPLE IN CONGRESS AND IN WASHINGTON D.C. AND IN THE WASHINGTON D.C. AND IN THE COUNTRY. COUNTRY. >> YOU YOURSELF ARE QUITE THE >> YOU YOURSELF ARE QUITE THE LIGHTNING ROD. LIGHTNING ROD. YOU ACTUALLY HAVE APPROVAL YOU ACTUALLY HAVE APPROVAL RATINGS THAT ARE LOWER THAN RATINGS THAT ARE LOWER THAN PRESIDENT TRUMP’S. PRESIDENT TRUMP’S. >> WELL, HE’S NOT SO GOOD. >> WELL, HE’S NOT SO GOOD. THE REPUBLICANS HAVE SPENT OVER THE REPUBLICANS HAVE SPENT OVER $100 MILLION — 137,000 ADS HAD $100 MILLION — 137,000 ADS HAD MY NAME IF IT IN THE LAST MY NAME IF IT IN THE LAST ELECTION.

ELECTION. THEY’RE AGAINST ME BECAUSE I’M THEY’RE AGAINST ME BECAUSE I’M EFFECTIVE AS A LEGISLATOR. EFFECTIVE AS A LEGISLATOR. I’M EXCELLENT AT THAT. I’M EXCELLENT AT THAT. I’M EFFECTIVE POLITICALLY AS A I’M EFFECTIVE POLITICALLY AS A FUNDRAISER, THE BEST, AND THEY FUNDRAISER, THE BEST, AND THEY HAVE TO TAKE ME DOWN. HAVE TO TAKE ME DOWN. AND THAT’S WHAT THEY HAVE TRIED AND THAT’S WHAT THEY HAVE TRIED TO DO. TO DO. BUT THEY DON’T — THEY JUST BUT THEY DON’T — THEY JUST LIGHT MY FIRE. LIGHT MY FIRE. >> A FIRE THAT SETS TO LAUNCH >> A FIRE THAT SETS TO LAUNCH HER RETURN TO THE HIGHEST RUNGS HER RETURN TO THE HIGHEST RUNGS OF POLITICS. OF POLITICS. YOU PROBABLY ARE THE MOST YOU PROBABLY ARE THE MOST POWERFUL WOMAN IN GOVERNMENT. POWERFUL WOMAN IN GOVERNMENT. >> IN THE UNITED STATES, YES. >> IN THE UNITED STATES, YES. >> YES. >> YES.

>> THAT’S TRUE. >> THAT’S TRUE. >> DO YOU THINK ABOUT THAT AND >> DO YOU THINK ABOUT THAT AND THINK ABOUT WHAT THAT MEANS? THINK ABOUT WHAT THAT MEANS? DO YOU THINK ABOUT THAT AS A DO YOU THINK ABOUT THAT AS A PERSONAL ACCOMPLISHMENT? PERSONAL ACCOMPLISHMENT? >> NO. >> NO. I THINK OF IT AS A I THINK OF IT AS A RESPONSIBILITY. RESPONSIBILITY. I DON’T THINK OF IT AS AN I DON’T THINK OF IT AS AN ACCOMPLISHMENT. ACCOMPLISHMENT. I THINK OF IT AS A I THINK OF IT AS A RESPONSIBILITY AND HOW WE GO RESPONSIBILITY AND HOW WE GO FORWARD, AND WHAT THAT MEANS IN FORWARD, AND WHAT THAT MEANS IN TERMS OF THE LIVES OF AMERICA’S TERMS OF THE LIVES OF AMERICA’S WORKING FAMILIES AND THAT WORKING FAMILIES AND THAT MORE — THIS ISN’T BREAKING A MORE — THIS ISN’T BREAKING A GLASS CEILING. GLASS CEILING. THIS IS BREAKING A MARBLE THIS IS BREAKING A MARBLE CEILING IN THE CAPITOL OF THE CEILING IN THE CAPITOL OF THE UNITED STATES.

UNITED STATES. >> AND RIGHT THAT SHE WENT TO >> AND RIGHT THAT SHE WENT TO THE WHITE HOUSE AND HAD THE THE WHITE HOUSE AND HAD THE MEETING WITH OTHER CONGRESSIONAL MEETING WITH OTHER CONGRESSIONAL LEADERS AND THE PRESIDENT. LEADERS AND THE PRESIDENT. BUT NO BREAKTHROUGHS ON THE BUT NO BREAKTHROUGHS ON THE SHUTDOWN. SHUTDOWN. >> WE’LL HEAR WHAT THE PRESIDENT.

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