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MILLIONS OF ACRES REMAIN ON FIRE AS TENS OF THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE LOSE POWER AND NEW EVACUATIONS ARE ORDERED. THEN, THE FUTURE OF HEALTH CARE. WITH THE COST OF MEDICAL TREATMENT REMAINING PROHIBITIVE FOR MILLIONS OF AMERICANS, WE EXAMINE POSSIBILITIES FOR EXPANSION OF COVERAGE. AND, SPEAKING OUT. THE FBI AGENT WHO HELPED LAUNCH THE RUSSIA INVESTIGATION EXPLAINS HOW HE STILL SEES THE PRESIDENT AS A COUNTERINTELLIGENCE RISK. >> HIS RELATIONSHIP WITH RUSSIA, THE WAY THAT HE HAS EXPOSED HIMSELF TO BEING COMPROMISED. THAT IS TOO IMPORTANT AN ISSUE FOR THE AMERICAN PUBLIC NOT TO UNDERSTAND HOW WE THOUGHT ABOUT THAT IN THE FBI IN 2016 UP TO AND THROUGH TODAY.

JUDY: ALL THAT AND MORE ON TONIGHT’S “PBS NEWSHOUR.” >> MAJOR FUNDING FOR THE “PBS NEWSHOUR” HAS BEEN PROVIDED BY — ♪ >> PEDIATRIC SURGEON, VOLUNTEER, TOPIARY ARTIST, RAYMONDJAMES FINANCIAL ADVISOR TAYLOR’S ADVICE TO LIVE IN YOUR LIFE. LIFE WELL PLANNED. >> FOR 25 YEARS CONSUMER CELLULAR’S GOAL HAS TO — HAS BEEN TO PROVIDE A WAY TO CONNECT. WE HAVE A VARIETY OF PLANS AND OUR CUSTOMER SERVICE TEAM CAN FIND ONE THAT FITS YOU.

VISIT CONSUMERCELLULAR.TV. >> JOHNSON AND JOHNSON. BNSF RAILWAY. ♪ >> THE KNIGHT FOUNDATION, FOSTERING ENGAGED AND INFORMED COMMUNITIES. >> AND WITH THE ONGOING SUPPORT OF THESE INSTITUTIONS. THIS PROGRAM WAS MADE POSSIBLE BY THE CORPORATION FOR PUBLIC BROADCASTING AND BY CONTRIBUTIONS TO YOUR PBS STATION FROM VIEWERS LIKE YOU. THANK YOU. JUDY: RECORD WILDFIRES ARE’S TILL — ARE STILL MARCHING ACROSS VAST SWATHS OF CALIFORNIA TONIGHT AND CLAIMING NEW VICTIMS. FOURTEEN FIRE CREW MEMBERS WERE INJURED TODAY, WITH THREE OF THEM HOSPITALIZED. THE FIRES HAVE ALSO DESTROYED SCORES OF HOMES AND OTHER BUILDINGS, AND LEFT HUNDREDS OF PEOPLE TO BE RESCUED.

STEPHANIE SY HAS OUR REPORT. STEPHANIE: THE GLOW OF DESTRUCTIVE FLAMES IS CONSUMING MANY PARTS OF THE GOLDEN STATE. A RECORD-BREAKING 2 MILLION PLUS ACRES HAVE BURNED AND THE FIRE SEASON IS BARELY UNDERWAY. PROOF OF CLIMATE CHANGE, SAID GOVERNOR GAVIN NEWSOM TODAY. >> I QUITE LITERALLY HAVE NO PATIENCE FOR CLIMATE CHANGE DENIERS. IT SIMPLY FOLLOWS, COMPLETELY INCONSISTENT, THAT POINT YOU, WITH THE REALITY ON THE GROUND. STEPHANIE: THE WILDFIRES ARE SPARING NO CORNER OF CALIFORNIA, WITH SOME 20 FIRE CONGLOMERATES BLAZING. SEVERAL OF THOSE ARE ALMOST COMPLETELY UNCONTAINED. IN FRESNO COUNTY, THE CREEK FIRE EXPLODED IN THE SIERRA NEVADA MOUNTAINS DESTROYING MANY HOMES , AND TRAPPING CAMPERS WHO HAD DESCENDED ON THE AREA FOR THE LABOR DAY WEEKEND. PEOPLE WERE RESCUED IN TOUGH CONDITIONS BY HELICOPTERS DISPATCHED BY THE NAVY AND CALIFORNIA NATIONAL GUARD.

OFFICIALS MONITORING THE MASSIVE BOBCAT FIRE NEAR LOS ANGELES ARE WARNING OF POSSIBLE EVACUATIONS, AND URGING NON-RESIDENTS TO STAY AWAY. >> WE DO ASK THE PUBLIC IF YOU , DON’T LIVE IN THE AREA, PLEASE STAY OUT OF THE AREA. IF YOU LIVE ALONG THE FOOTHILLS, IN THE POTENTIALLY AFFECTED AREAS, YOU HAVE TIME NOW. PLEASE MAKE PREPARATIONS FOR WHAT YOU WANT TO TAKE WITH YOU IF YOU DO NEED TO EVACUATE. STEPHANIE: THE WILDFIRES ARE IGNITED BY BOTH NATURAL FORCES AND HUMAN ACTIVITY. THE EL DORADO FIRE SYSTEM IS BELIEVED TO HAVE SPARKED WHEN A FAMILY USED PYROTECHNICS FOR A BABY’S GENDER REVEAL PARTY.

LINDA CORCHRAN AND HER HUSBAND, WHO WERE FORCED TO FLEE IN THEIR MOTORHOME, ARE ANGERED BY THE NEGLIGENCE. >> I AM UPSET THAT PEOPLE ARE STUPID. I AM ANGRY, BUT NOT SURPRISED. STEPHANIE: FOR FIREFIGHTERS ON THE FRONT LINES THERE, THE FIGHT IS TAKING A TOLL. >> I GOT THREE HOURS OF SLEEP YESTERDAY. IT WAS A GOOD FIGHT LAST NIGHT. STEPHANIE: TO PREVENT MORE FIRE IGNITIONS, PACIFIC GAS AND ELECTRIC, THE STATE’S LARGEST POWER PROVIDER, SAID IT HAD TO CUT ELECTRICITY TO TENS OF THOUSANDS OF CUSTOMERS IN 22 COUNTIES. THE RECORD-BREAKING FIRES UNDER RECORD-BREAKING TEMPERATURES ARE ADDING STRESS TO COMMUNITIES COPING WITH THE PANDEMIC.

>> I GET IT. I AM WEARING THE MASK OBVIOUSLY FOR THE COVID, BUT IT DOES HELP OUT WITH THE FACT THERE ARE ASHES EVERYWHERE. YOU SEE IT ON MY CAR. YOU JUST HAVE TO DEAL WITH IT. STEPHANIE: MULTIPLE CRISES COLLIDING IN CALIFORNIA, THE MOST POPULOUS STATE IN THE COUNTRY. FOR THE “PBS NEWSHOUR,” I AM STEPHANIE SY. ♪ STEPHANIE: I AM STEPHANIE SY BACK WITH THE REST OF THE NEWS HEADLINES. WE WILL RETURN TO JUDY WOODRUFF AND THE REST OF THE PROGRAM IN A MOMENT. TECHNOLOGY STOCKS, WHICH MANY BELIEVE WERE OVERVALUED, FELL HARD AGAIN, AND TOOK THE REST OF THE MARKET WITH THEM. THE DOW JONES INDUSTRIAL AVERAGE LOST 632 POINTS, TO CLOSE AT 27,500. THE NASDAQ FELL 465 POINTS. IT’S OFF 10% SINCE IT PEAKED LAST WEDNESDAY, OFFICIALLY, A MARKET “CORRECTION.” THE S&P 500 GAVE UP 95 POINTS. THE SUFFOCATION DEATH OF DANIEL PRUDE IN ROCHESTER, NEW YORK, HAS TRIGGERED A POLICE SHAKEUP.

THE CHIEF AND DEPUTY CHIEF ANNOUNCED THEIR RETIREMENTS TODAY. POLICE CAUGHT PRUDE RUNNING NAKED LAST MARCH. THEY USED A HOOD TO STOP HIM FROM SPITTING, AND HELD HIM DOWN FOR TWO MINUTES. HE DIED LATER. VIDEO DID NOT EMERGE UNTIL LAST WEEK. PRESIDENT TRUMP SAYS HE’S WILLING TO SPEND HIS OWN MONEY ON HIS RE-ELECTION BID, AMID REPORTS OF A CAMPAIGN CASH CRUNCH. “THE NEW YORK TIMES” REPORTS THE CAMPAIGN HAS SPENT MORE THAN $800 MILLION OUT OF $1.1 BILLION IT RAISED THROUGH JULY. MR. TRUMP DEFENDED THE SPENDING, AND DISMISSED THE NEWS ACCOUNTS, BEFORE FLYING TO FLORIDA AND NORTH CAROLINA. PRES. TRUMP: THE PRESS WAS FAKE AND WE HAVE TO SPEND A LOT OF MONEY. NO, IF WE DID NEED, WE DON’T BECAUSE WE HAVE MUCH MORE MONEY THAN WE HAD LAST TIME GOING INTO THE LAST TWO MONTHS. I THINK DOUBLE AND TRIPLE. BUT IF WE NEED IT ANY MORE, I WOULD PUT IT UP PERSONALLY, LIKE I DID IN THE PRIMARIES LAST TIME. STEPHANIE: LATER, IN FLORIDA, THE PRESIDENT SIGNED AN EXECUTIVE ORDER TO EXPAND AN OFFSHORE DRILLING BAN TO FLORIDA’S ATLANTIC COAST AND THE COASTS OF GEORGIA AND SOUTH CAROLINA.

IT REVERSED A PREVIOUS TRUMP PROPOSAL THAT WOULD HAVE ALLOWED DRILLING IN CONTINENTAL SHELF WATERS, INCLUDING IN THE ATLANTIC OCEAN. THERE IS PUSHBACK FROM THE PENTAGON AGAINST NEW CRITICISM FROM PRESIDENT TRUMP. HE SAID MONDAY THAT MILITARY LEADERS WANT WARS, IN ORDER TO KEEP ARMS MAKERS HAPPY. TODAY, GENERAL JAMES MCCONVILLE, THE ARMY CHIEF OF STAFF, SAID COMMANDERS RECOMMEND FIGHTING ONLY WHEN, QUOTE, “IT IS REQUIRED IN NATIONAL SECURITY AND IN THE LAST RESORT.” DEMOCRATS IN THE U.S.

HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES ARE LAUNCHING A PROBE OF POSTMASTER GENERAL LOUIS DEJOY. THE “WASHINGTON POST” REPORTS HIS FORMER COMPANY PRESSURED EMPLOYEES FOR POLITICAL CONTRIBUTIONS AND THEN, ILLEGALLY REIMBURSED THEM WITH BONUSES. DOCTOR HAS –DEJOY HAS DENIED WRONGDOING. A STATE LAW REQUIRING VOTERS SUBMIT AN ABSENTEE PALETTE TO HAVE A WITNESS SIGNED THE RETURN ENVELOPE. THEY SAY IT PUTS ALASKANS AT UNNECESSARY RISK OF COVID-19 AND COULD DISENFRANCHISE THOUSANDS OF ELIGIBLE VOTERS P THE SENATE RETURNED TO WORK TODAY AND MAJORITY REPUBLICANS RELEASED THEIR COVID ECONOMIC RELIEF BILL.

IT OFFERS NEARLY $600 BILLION FOR SCHOOLS, BUSINESSES AND THE UNEMPLOYED, AND OFFSETS ABOUT HALF THAT COST. BUT, IT HAS LITTLE CHANCE OF PASSING, DESPITE MAJORITY LEADER MITCH MCCONNELL’S APPEAL TO DEMOCRATS. >> WE WANT TO AGREE WHERE BIPARTISAN AGREEMENT IS POSSIBLE, GET MORE HELP OUT THE DOOR AND THEN KEEP ARGUING OVER THE REST LATER. THAT’S HOW YOU LEGISLATE. THAT’S HOW YOU MAKE LAW. STEPHANIE: DEMOCRATIC LEADERS DISMISSED THE REPUBLICAN BILL.

THEY WANT A TRILLION DOLLAR MEASURE. POLICE ARE INVESTIGATING THE LABOR DAY KILLINGS OF SEVEN PEOPLE AT AN ILLEGAL MARIJUANA GROWING INSTITUTION IN SAN DIEGO. THEY SEIZED MORE THAN 1000 POUNDS OF MARIJUANA AS WELL AS SEVERAL THOUSAND PLANTS. THEY HAVE NOT IDENTIFIED SUSPECTS. IN BELARUS A LEADING OPPOSITION , ACTIVIST, MARIA KOLESNIKOVA, IS BEING HELD AT THE BORDER WITH UKRAINE, AFTER REFUSING TO LEAVE. SECURITY FOOTAGE ALLEGEDLY SHOWS THE CAR THAT DROVE HER AND TWO OTHER MEMBERS OF AN OPPOSITION COUNCIL TO THE BORDER. AUTHORITIES TRIED TO DEPORT HER . IT IS PART OF A CRACKDOWN ON PROTESTS AGAINST THE AUTHORITARIAN PRESIDENT. THIS EVENING SECRETARY OF STATE MIKE POMPEO SAID IN A STATEMENT THE U.S. WAS CONSIDERING SANCTIONS AGAINST THOSE IN BELARUS INVOLVED IN HUMAN RIGHTS ABUSES. STELTER, ON THE “NEWSHOUR” WITH A JUDY WOODRUFF, WE TALKED TO DR. ANTHONY FOUND SHE ABOUT THE STATE OF THE PANDEMIC RESPONSE AND A POSSIBLE VACCINE. WITH THE COST OF HEALTH CARE PROHIBITIVE FOR MANY AMERICANS, WE EXAMINE POSSIBILITIES FOR EXPANSION OF COVERAGE.

WHAT LESSONS CAN BE LEARNED FROM SWEDEN’S STAY OPEN RESPONSE TO COVID-19, PLUS, MUCH MORE. ♪ >> THIS IS PBS NEWSHOUR WEST FROM WETA STUDIOS IN WASHINGTON AND IN THE WEST FROM OUR BUREAU AT THE WALTER CRONKITE SCHOOL OF JOURNALISM AT ARIZONA STATE UNIVERSITY. JUDY: THE FALL SEASON BEGAN AND MILLIONS OF CHILDREN WENT BACK TO SCHOOL VIRTUALLY TODAY. THE SAME TIME SOME COLLEGES AND UNIVERSITIES ARE JUGGLING THE CONSEQUENCES OF REOPENING THEIR CAMPUSES PEERED MEANWHILE, CHIEF EXECUTIVES OF NINE DRUG COMPANIES PLEDGE NOT TO SEEK APPROVAL OF A VACCINE BEFORE SAFETY AND EFFICACY HAD BEEN CLEARLY ESTABLISHED IN CLINICAL TRIALS.

ALL THIS CAME IN RESPONSE TO CONCERNS OVER THE PUBLIC TRUST. THIS AFTERNOON, I SPOKE WITH DR. ANTHONY FAUCI OF THE NATIONAL INSTITUTES OF HEALTH. IT WAS FOR A SPECIAL FORUM FOR THE GROUP, RESEARCH AMERICA. HERE’S SOME OF OUR CONVERSATION AND WE BEGAN WITH CONCERNS AROUND SCHOOLING. DR. FAUCI, AS YOU KNOW, THIS IS ON THE MINDS OF SO MANY FAMILIES, STUDENTS RETURNING TO SCHOOL. IF PEOPLE ARE WORRIED ABOUT THEIR CHILDREN — I WANT TO START BY ASKING YOU ABOUT COLLEGES BECAUSE THERE HAS BEEN A LOT OF FOCUS ON THOSE P YOU ADVISED LAST WEEK THAT SCHOOLS NOT SEND STUDENTS BACK HOME IF THEY TEST POSITIVE.

WHAT ARE YOU CONCERNED ABOUT WITH COLLEGES? WHY DID YOU MAKE THAT RECOMMENDATION? DR. FAUCI: I MADE THAT RECOMMENDATION BECAUSE WHEN YOU BRING IN COLLEGE AND UNIVERSITY STUDENTS IN, IF THEY GET INFECTED, YOU SHOULD TRY THE BEST YOU CAN TO HAVE THE FACILITY TO SEQUESTER THEM FROM THE REST OF THE STUDENT BODY SO THEY DO NOT INFECT OTHER STUDENTS. YOU SHOULD NOT SEND THEM HOME BECAUSE IF YOU DO, JUST THE NATURE OF UNIVERSITY AND COLLEGES, YOU ARE GETTING KIDS FROM ALL OVER THE COUNTRY. IF YOU SEND THEM BACK TO THEIR COMMUNITY, YOU WILL IN ESSENCE BE RESEEDING WITH INDIVIDUALS CAPABLE OF TRANSMITTING INFECTION MANY COMMUNITIES ACROSS THE COUNTRY. IT IS MUCH BETTER TO HAVE THE CAPABILITY TO PUT THEM IN A PLACE WHERE THEY CAN COMFORTABLY RECOVER.

HOPEFULLY THAT COULD BE A FLOOR OF A DORM OR SOME COLLEGES ARE DOING AN ENTIRE DORM DEDICATED TO PEOPLE WHO YOU WANT TO SEGREGATE FOR THE REST OF THE STUDENT BODY. JUDY: THE IDEA WE WILL HAVE A VACCINE BY NOVEMBER 3, HOW REALISTIC? DR. FAUCI: I THINK THAT IS UNLIKELY. THE ONLY WAY YOU CAN SEE THAT SCENARIO COME TRUE IS IF IN FACT THERE ARE SO MANY INFECTIONS IN THE CLINICAL TRIAL SITES THAT YOU GET AND EFFICACY ANSWER SOONER THAN YOU WOULD HAVE PROJECTED.

IT IS NOT IMPOSSIBLE, BUT IT IS UNLIKELY THAT WILL HAVE A DEFINITIVE ANSWER AT THAT TIME. MORE LIKELY, BY THE END OF THE YEAR. JUDY: WE KNOW WITH REGARD TO THE PUBLIC’S CONFIDENCE IN THE VACCINE, POLLS ARE SHOWING PERHAPS 1/3 OF AMERICANS ARE NOT CONFIDENT ENOUGH IN SAYING THEY WILL NOT TAKE THE VACCINE AT FIRST. THAT IS A PRETTY HIGH PERCENTAGE. AT WHAT POINT DOES THIS BECOME A PROBLEM? DR. FAUCI: I THINK IT ALREADY IS A LOOMING PROBLEM. ONE OF THE WAYS WE CAN MITIGATE AGAINST THAT IS BY BEING VERY TRANSPARENT IN OUR OUTREACH TO THE COMMUNITY ABOUT WHAT THE DATA ARE, WHAT THEY SHOW AND WHAT CRITERIA WE ARE USING IN ORDER TO MAKE A DECISION ABOUT A VACCINE BEING SAFE AND EFFECTIVE AND MAKING IT AVAILABLE. WE HAVE GOT TO REGAIN THE TRUST OF THE COMMUNITY ABOUT WHEN WE SAY SOMETHING IS SAFE AND EFFECTIVE THEY CAN BE CONFIDENT THAT IT IS SAFE AND EFFECTIVE. THAT IS THE REASON WHY WE HAVE TO BE VERY TRANSPARENT WITH THE DATA AS WELL AS WHAT GOES INTO THE DECISION-MAKING PROCESS ABOUT APPROVING A VACCINE. JUDY: YOU MENTIONED THE FDA, BUT IT WAS THE FDA THAT ROLLED OUT ORIGINAL INFORMATION ON THE SO-CALLED CONVALESCENT PLASMA, WHERE THEY CAME BACK AND SAID LATER IT HAD BEEN OVERSTATED.

WHEN YOU HAVE SOMETHING LIKE THAT HAPPEN, ISN’T IT NATURAL PEOPLE MIGHT BE SKEPTICAL? DR. FAUCI: YOU ARE RIGHT, I DO NOT WANT TO DENY THAT. THIS REALITY IS LIKELY TO BE SKEPTICAL. WE WANT TO CORRECT THAT AND HELP THEM UNDERSTAND THERE WILL BE MULTIPLE LAYER’S OF CHECKPOINTS BEFORE THIS TYPE OF DECISION IS MADE. THERE ARE A LOT OF PEOPLE LOOKING AT THIS. A LOT OF PEOPLE IN THE SCIENTIFIC COMMUNITY, MYSELF INCLUDED, WHO WERE LOOKING AT THIS TO MAKE SURE IT GETS DONE IN A WAY THAT IS SCIENTIFICALLY SOUND. JUDY: I SHOULD SAY NOT JUST OF THE FDA, BUT THERE HAS BEEN BACK AND FORTH AT THE CDC, WHERE THERE HAS BEEN GUIDANCE AND QUESTIONS RAISED. I HAVE TO ASK AGAIN, HOW CAN THE AMERICAN PEOPLE BE SURE THEY ARE GETTING STRAIGHT SCIENCE FROM THESE GOVERNMENT AGENCIES? DR. FAUCI: AGAIN, IT WILL NOT BE EASY, GIVEN WHAT HAS GONE ON BEFORE. WE HAVE TO KEEP BEING QUITE TRANSPARENT. I HAVE BEEN FROM THE BEGINNING ALWAYS QUITE CLEAR IN HOW I FEEL ABOUT THE IMPORTANCE OF THE INTEGRITY OF THE SCIENCE AND DECISION-MAKING PROCESS.

I AND MANY OF MY SCIENTIFIC COLLEAGUES WILL CONTINUE TO BE VERY VIGILANT ABOUT THAT. JUDY: DR. FAUCI, THANK YOU SO MUCH. DR. FAUCI: THANK YOU, JUDY. JUDY: MEANTIME, THROUGHOUT THIS PAST WEEK, WILLIAM BRANGHAM HAS BEEN LOOKING AT HOW OTHER COUNTRIES BUILT TOWARD UNIVERSAL HEALTHCARE COVERAGE, AND THE TRADE-OFFS THEY’VE MADE. THOSE QUESTIONS HAVE BEEN A PART OF OUR PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN SEASON, TOO.

THAT INCLUDES SHARPLY DIVIDED VIEWS ABOUT THE AFFORDABLE CARE ACT WHICH EXPANDED COVERAGE FOR , 20 MILLION AMERICANS, BUT IS STILL NOT AFFORDABLE ENOUGH FOR SOME CITIZENS. WILLIAM IS GOING TO HAVE A CONVERSATION ABOUT ALL OF THIS IN A MOMENT. BUT LET’S HEAR ABOUT WHERE THE FIRST, PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATES STAND, WITH OUR CORRESPONDENTS, LISA DESJARDINS AND YAMICHE ALCINDOR. LISA: IT WAS THE SIGNATURE LEGISLATION OF THE OBAMA ADMINISTRATION, THE AFFORDABLE CARE ACT, BETTER KNOWN AS OBAMACARE. WHEN IT WAS SIGNED INTO LAW 10 YEARS AGO, THEN VICE PRESIDENT BIDEN CELEBRATED PASSAGE, MEMORABLY PUTTING IT LIKE THIS. MR. BIDEN: THIS IS A BIG [BEEP] DEAL.

LISA THE LAW HAS BEEN BOTH : INCREDIBLY POPULAR WITH SOME AND CONTROVERSIAL WITH OTHERS. AMONG CORE ASPECTS, IT PROTECTS AMERICANS WITH PRE-EXISTING CONDITIONS, ALLOWS PARENTS TO KEEP KIDS ON THEIR PLAN UNTIL AGE 26, AND ELIMINATES OUT OF POCKET EXPENSES FOR MANY PREVENTATIVE SERVICES. SINCE PASSAGE OF OBAMA CARE, THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY AT LARGE HAS SHIFTED LEFT ON HEALTH CARE, LED IN LARGE PART BY SENATOR BERNIE SANDERS AND HIS SIGNATURE “MEDICARE FOR ALL” PROPOSAL. DESPITE THAT PRESSURE, BIDEN LARGELY HELD CENTER DURING HIS PRIMARY CAMPAIGN. HIS HEALTH CARE PLAN FOCUSES ON A PUBLIC OPTION, WHERE ANYONE COULD BUY INTO A MEDICARE-LIKE PLAN. HE WOULD AUTOMATICALLY ENROLL SOME PEOPLE IN STATES THAT DIDN’T EXPAND MEDICAID. HE’D ALSO INCREASE TAX CREDITS TO HELP LOWER COSTS FOR LOW-INCOME PEOPLE. BIDEN’S FOCUS REMAINS BUILDING ONTO THE ACA. YAMICHE: MEANWHILE, ONE OF THE CORE TENETS OF THE PRESIDENTS — PRESENT’S 2016 CAMPAIGN AND HIS FIRST TERM WAS TO REPEAL OBAMACARE. IN 2017 TRUMP CAME ONE VOTE SHORT OF PASSING AN OBAMACARE REPEAL THROUGH THE U.S. SENATE. THE QUESTION HAS OFTEN BEEN, WHAT EXACTLY IS THE GOP PLAN IN THEIR “REPEAL AND REPLACE” PLEDGE? IN THE PAST, HIS ADMINISTRATION HAS TAKEN STEPS TO ROLL BACK THE ACA.

HE ENDED THE PENALTY FOR THE INDIVIDUAL MANDATE, ONE OF THE LAW’S MORE UNPOPULAR REQUIREMENTS. THAT CHANGE ONCE AGAIN PUTS THE FATE OF THE ENTIRE LAW BEFORE THE SUPREME COURT. IN RECENT MONTHS, TRUMP HAS REPEATEDLY SAID HE WOULD UNVEIL A HEALTH-CARE PROPOSAL IN WEEKS BUT THOSE SELF-IMPOSED TIMELINES , HAVE COME AND GONE. THE PRESIDENT IS ALSO TAKING SOME SMALLER ACTIONS. RECENTLY HE SIGNED AN EXECUTIVE ORDER TO EXPAND TELEHEALTH FOR MEDICARE RECIPIENTS. PRESIDENT TRUMP HAS CRITICIZED BIDEN’S PLAN AS MOVING TOO FAR TOWARD MEDICARE FOR ALL.

WHICH PRESIDENT TRUMP SEES AS RADICAL AND TOO GREAT OF A GOVERNMENT ROLE IN HEALTH CARE. LISA: BIDEN RESPONDS THAT TRUMP’S ATTEMPTS TO REPEAL OBAMACARE WOULD LEAVE MILLIONS OF AMERICANS WITHOUT INSURANCE AND HIS LIMITS ON IT HAVE ALREADY CUT ACCESS TO CARE, SOMETHING HE SAYS IS ESPECIALLY DANGEROUS IN THE PANDEMIC. WILLIAM: THOSE ARE TWO VERY DIFFERENT VISIONS, MEANT TO ADDRESS IN PART THE ROUGHLY 30 , MILLION PEOPLE IN THIS COUNTRY WITH NO HEALTH INSURANCE. THE PANDEMIC’S ECONOMIC TOLL IS ONLY MAKING THAT WORSE. LET’S HEAR FROM TWO PEOPLE INTIMATELY INVOLVED IN THE POLITICAL DYNAMICS AROUND HEALTH CARE REFORM. DR. EZEKIEL EMANUEL IS THE CHAIR OF THE DEPARTMENT OF MEDICAL ETHICS AND HEALTH POLICY AT THE UNIVERSITY OF PENNSYLVANIA. HE IS THE AUTHOR OF A BOOK LOOKING AT HEALTH CARE SYSTEMS AROUND THE WORLD AND WAS SPECIAL ADVISOR TO PRESIDENT OBAMA AND NOW ADVISES JOE BIDEN’S CORONAVIRUS TASK FORCE.

AND LANHEE CHEN IS A FELLOW AT THE HOOVER INSTITUTION AND TEACHES PUBLIC POLICY AT STANFORD UNIVERSITY. HE IS AN INFORMAL HEALTH POLICY ADVISOR TO CONGRESSIONAL REPUBLICANS AND TO THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION GENTLEMEN, WELCOME TO YOU BOTH. CAN I LAY OUT THE GROUND TERMS? I KNOW YOU BOTH SHARE THESE TWO MAIN GOALS, EXPANDING COVERAGE SO MORE AMERICANS HAVE ACCESS TO CARE, AND LOWERING COSTS SO THAT HEALTH CARE IS NOT SO EXPENSIVE FOR INDIVIDUALS AND NOT SO EXPENSIVE AS A SYSTEM OVERALL. STARTING WITH THAT PREMISE, LET’S START WITH THE ISSUE OF COST.

YOU CONSULTED WITH THE GOP AND THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION. LET’S SAY PRESIDENT TRUMP WINS A SECOND TERM. HOW DO YOU FORESEE HIM TRYING TO BRING DOWN THE COST OF HEALTH CARE IN THIS COUNTRY? MR. CHEN: IN A FEW WAYS. I THINK YOU WILL SEE HIM CONTINUE TO PUSH FORWARD IN CREATING MORE CHOICES ON THE HEALTH CARE MARKETPLACE. THAT HAS BEEN A FOCUS OF HIS FIRST TERM IN OFFICE, TRYING TO EXPAND ACCESS TO PLANS THAT MAY SUE PEOPLE BETTER WEAR THEIR NEEDS ARE.

YOU WILL SEE HIM PUSH FORWARD ON PRICE AND QUALITY TRANSPARENCY, WHICH IN MY MIND IS A SIGNIFICANT GOAL THAT WE AS AMERICANS SHOULD ALL SHARE. CAN WE GET A HEALTH CARE SYSTEM WHERE WE UNDERSTAND MORE ABOUT WHAT WE ARE PAYING AND GETTING WITH OUR DOLLARS? FINALLY, I THINK HE WILL ADDRESS SPECIFICS AROUND ISSUES LIKE PRESCRIPTION DRUG PRICING, SURPRISE BILLING. THESE ARE ISSUES THAT CONTINUE TO PLAGUE MANY AMERICANS. THE HIGH COST OF PRESCRIPTION DRUGS CONTINUE TO BE AN ISSUE.

I THINK THERE CAN BE BIPARTISAN AGREEMENT ON ADDRESSING THE PRICE OF PRESCRIPTION DRUGS OR IN GETTING RID OF SOME OF THESE CHALLENGES CREATED BY SURPRISE BILLING PRACTICES. WILLIAM: YOU HEARD THAT MENU OF THINGS THAT IS HOPEFUL IN THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION. DO YOU THINK THOSE WOULD BE ENOUGH TO MANAGE COSTS IN A MEANINGFUL WAY, OR ARE THERE OTHER THINGS YOU WOULD ADD TO THAT? DR. EMANUEL: FIRST OF ALL, HE IS TALKING AS IF THE PRESIDENT HAS NOT BEEN THE PRESIDENT. HE HAS HAD FOUR YEARS TO LOWER DRUG PRICES AND HAS NOT SUCCEEDED IN DOING IT AT ALL. HE HAS HAD FOUR TO HAVE MORE — YEARS TO HAVE MORE PRICE TRANSPARENCY AND IS NOT DONE MUCH ABOUT IT. THE OBAMA ADMINISTRATION DID MORE ABOUT PRICE TRANSPARENCY THAN HE DID. IT IS AN IMPORTANT QUESTION AS TO WHAT HE IS ACTUALLY GOING TO DO SINCE HE HAS HAD FOUR YEARS AND DONE ALMOST NOTHING ON THAT. ON PRICES, ONE OF THE THINGS WE HAVE ARGUED, THAT I THINK IS IMPORTANT, WE NEED TO CHANGE HOW WE ACTUALLY PAY FOR HEALTH TO DOCTORS AND HOSPITALS.

WE NEED TO MOVE OFF OF THE FEE FOR SERVICE SYSTEM AND GET TO MORE VALUE-BASED PAYMENT SO DOCTORS DO NOT GET PAID FOR EVERYTHING THEY DO, BUT FOR MANAGING YOUR HEALTH PROBLEMS AND KEEPING YOU HEALTHY. WE ALSO NEED TO CHANGE PHYSICIAN BEHAVIOR SO THEY REFER YOU TO PLACES THAT ARE LOWER-COST, HOSPITALS THAT CHARGE LESS, LAB FACILITIES THAT CHARGE LESS. THOSE WILL BE REALLY IMPORTANT. I THINK WE NEED TO HAVE SERIOUS DRUG PRICE CONTROL. RIGHT NOW WE LET DRUG COMPANIES SET PRICES, INSTEAD OF LINKING PRICES TO HOW MUCH OF A HEALTH IMPACT THOSE DRUGS ACTUALLY MAKE. IN MANY OTHER COUNTRIES YOU RELEASE A NEW DRUG THAT HAS A COMPARABLE EXISTING DRUG ON THE MARKET, YOU CANNOT EXIT — YOU CANNOT RAISE THAT PRICE. BUT IN THE U.S. WE HAVE A LOT OF CASES WHERE A DRUG IS THE SAME AS ANOTHER DRUG ON THE MARKET BUT IT GOES UP $300 FOR NO HEALTH BENEFIT, NO HEALTH ADVANTAGE, COMPARED TO WHAT IS THERE. WE DEFINITELY NEED TO CHANGE HOW WE ARE PAYING FOR DRUG PRICES. I THINK THE DEMOCRATS HAVE BEEN SERIOUS ABOUT THIS, BUT THE REPUBLICANS HAVE NOT WANTED TO COME TO THE TABLE.

WILLIAM: WHAT ABOUT THAT POINT? THE PRESIDENT HAS BEEN PRESIDENT FOR A LONG TIME AND HAS HAD SUBSTANTIAL SUPPORT IN THE CONGRESS AND SENATE. WHY HAVEN’T THOSE THINGS YOU HAVE HOPED HE WOULD DO BE DONE IN THE FIRST TERM? MR. CHEN: I THINK HE MADE PROGRESS ON A FEW THINGS VIA EXECUTIVE ACTION, WHICH IS WHAT HE HAD TO RESORT TO BECAUSE NEGOTIATIONS BROKE DOWN WITH DEMOCRATS OVER ISSUES LIKE DRUG PRICING, SURPRISE BILLING, ETC.. ON THE FIRST ORDER, USING EXECUTIVE ACTION CAN BE A BAND-AID APPROACH, NOT SOMETHING I WOULD RECOMMEND IN THE LONG RUN. IN THE LONGER RUN, DEMOCRATS AND REPUBLICANS HAVE TO COME TOGETHER TO ADDRESS THE PRESCRIPTION DRUG PRICING ISSUE. THERE HAVE BEEN SITUATIONS WHERE THE PRESIDENT AND ADMINISTRATION HAVE REASONABLE PROPOSALS PREVIOUSLY DEMOCRATS SUPPORTED, LIKE TYING DRUG PRICING MORE TOWARD DRUG PRICES ARE IN OTHER COUNTRIES.

THAT PROPOSAL SEEMS IT HAS TRACTION WITH SOME REPUBLICANS AND A HECK OF A LOT OF DEMOCRATS. BUT UNFORTUNATELY BECAUSE OF THE POLITICS OF THIS, DEMOCRATS HAVE NOT WANTED TO WORK TOGETHER WITH THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION TO QUOTE, “GIVE TRUMP A WIN.” IT CUTS BOTH WAYS. WILLIAM: LET’S TURN TO THIS ISSUE OF EXPANDING COVERAGE. YOU WERE THERE AT THE CONCEPTION OF THE AFFORDABLE CARE ACT. YOU HAVE SEEN HOW IT HAS BEEN CHIPPED AWAY AT AND TAKEN TO COURT BY THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION. IF BIDEN WERE TO WIN AND BECOME PRESIDENT, HE HAS TALKED ABOUT STRENGTHENING THE ACA AND EXPANDING ITS PROTECTIONS FOR PEOPLE. HOW DO YOU SEE A BIDEN ADMINISTRATION GETTING MORE PEOPLE MORE HEALTH CARE? DR. EMANUEL: YOU WANT TO INCREASE SUBSIDIES ON EXCHANGES, INCREASE A PUBLIC OPTION SO MORE PEOPLE COULD AFFORD INSURANCE THROUGH THE EXCHANGES. WE HAVE TO DO SOMETHING ON MEDICAID BECAUSE WE HAVE THESE 12 INTRANSIGENT STATES, TEXAS, FLORIDA, GEORGIA, NORTH CAROLINA, THAT ARE NOT EXPANDING MEDICAID.

WE CANNOT GET THE UNIVERSAL COVERAGE WITHOUT THAT EXPANSION OF MEDICAID. I THINK THAT WILL REQUIRE SERIOUS ACTION. NO INCENTIVES SEEM TO MAKE THOSE STATES MOVE. THE PEOPLE WHO ARE BEING EXCLUDED TYPICALLY ARE PEOPLE WHO ARE WORKING, BUT THEIR SALARIES ARE TOO LOW TO ACTUALLY GET PRIVATE INSURANCE OR EVEN GET GOOD INSURANCE ON THE EXCHANGES. YET THOSE STATES DO NOT SEEM TO WANT TO GIVE THEM HEALTH COVERAGE PER DIE THINK OF COVID HAS MADE ANYTHING CLEAR TO ALL AMERICANS, WE ALL NEED HEALTH COVERAGE SO WE CAN ACTUALLY GET THE CARE WE NEED. WILLIAM: WHAT ABOUT THIS ISSUE OF THE AFFORDABLE CARE ACT? THE PRESIDENT HAS BEEN VEHEMENTLY OPPOSED TO IT, KEEPS SAYING THERE WILL BE A NEW PROPOSED PLAN TO REPLACE IT, BUT HE IS CURRENTLY IN COURT AND TRYING TO CHIP AWAY AT IT? DO YOU THINK THERE WILL BE A SUBSTANTIVE PLAN EVENTUALLY, IF THE PRESIDENT WINS A SECOND TERM? MR. CHEN: I THINK THERE SHOULD BE. REPUBLICANS NEED TO BE CLEAR ON WHAT THEY INTEND TO DO ON HEALTH POLICY. I THINK THE ACA IS AN IMPORTANT PART OF THAT.

THE FACT IT HAS BEEN AROUND 11 YEARS NOW SUGGEST AT THIS POINT THE CHANGES THAT WILL BE MADE ARE CHANGES THAT ARE MORE INCREMENTAL IN NATURE. AS MUCH AS I WOULD LIKE TO AGREE WITH ZEKE, I CANNOT. THERE ARE AREAS WHERE THE ACA COULD BE IMPROVED BY FOCUSING ON THOSE WHO NEED IN — ASSISTANCE HE IS TALKING ABOUT INCREASING SUBSIDIES, BUT WHY NOT FOCUS ON PEOPLE WHO REALLY NEED IT? WHY NOT DETERMINE WHO REALLY NEEDS HELP AND EMPOWERING STATES TO ASSIST THOSE PEOPLE? BEYOND THAT I WOULD SAY BIDEN’S PLAN TO PUT IN PLACE A PUBLIC OPTION RAISES SERIES — SERIOUS QUESTIONS, IT CAN ERODE ACCESS TO DOCTORS, HOSPITALS AND CREATE A COSTLY GOVERNMENT ENTITLEMENT.

EVEN THOUGH VICE PRESIDENT BIDEN’S PLANS HAVE BEEN FRAMED AS MORE MODERN AND THE HEALTH CARE SPACE, THERE IS REASON TO BELIEVE THEY ARE PROGRESSIVE IN NATURE AND WOULD FUNDAMENTALLY ALTER THE U.S. HEALTH CARE SYSTEM. DR. EMANUEL: THE REPUBLICANS HAD 11 YEARS TO COME UP WITH A PLAN AND HAVE NEVER SEEN THEM COME UP WITH A REPLACEMENT THAT WOULD GET TO EXPANDED COVERAGE. THEY SIMPLY DO NOT HAVE A PLAN AND THEY HAVE NEVER HAD A PLAN WITH THE SECOND POINT, EVERY YEAR UNDER PRESIDENT TRUMP, INCLUDING THIS COVID YEAR, THE UNINSURED RATE HAS GONE UP AND UP AND UP. HE HAS NOT INTRODUCED ONE POLICY THAT HAS ENHANCED COVERAGE. EVERY SINGLE POLICY HAS ENDED UP CUTTING BACK ON COVERAGE. YOU GET RID OF THE BAND-AID, YOU COME BACK ON COVERAGE. YOU CREATE PSEUDO-PROGRAMS THAT ARE NOT HEALTH INSURANCE AND CALL THEM CHOICE. CUTS BACK ON THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE WHO HAVE INSURANCE. THEY HAVE NOT EXPANDED COVERAGE ONE IOTA AND THEY DO NOT HAVE A PLAN TO EXPAND COVERAGE. I NOTICE HE BEGAN THE STATEMENT, THEY SHOULD HAVE A PLAN. THEY HAD 11 YEARS TO DEVELOP IT.

WHERE IS THE PLAN. ? WILLIAM: THANK YOU BOTH VERY MUCH FOR BEING HERE. ♪ ♪ JUDY: WHILE THE PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATES DISAGREE ON MANY KEY ISSUES, THEIR ABILITY TO MAKE SURE VOTERS KNOW ABOUT THOSE DISAGREEMENTS COMES DOWN TO ONE MAIN THING, DOLLARS. AMNA NAWAZ FOLLOWS THE MONEY FOR US TODAY ON THE CAMPAIGN TRAIL. AMNA: BY ALL ACCOUNTS, THE 2020 ELECTION WILL BE THE MOST EXPENSIVE IN HISTORY. BOTH PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGNS ARE RAISING AND SPENDING MONEY BY THE MILLIONS, DESPITE THE ONGOING PANDEMIC AND ECONOMIC RECESSION. IT IS PART OF A TREND THAT SEES EACH ELECTION MORE COSTLY THAN THE LAST. TO TRACK THIS I AM JOINED BY ADAV NOTI OF THE NON-PARTISAN CAMPAIGN LEGAL CENTER. HE PREVIOUSLY WORKED AS A LAWYER AT THE FEDERAL ELECTION COMMISSION. THANKS FOR BEING HERE UP IT I WANTED TO ASK YOU ABOUT THESE NUMBERS. THE PRESIDENT BUILT UP AN IMPRESSIVE WARCHEST, NEARLY $1 BILLION, WHICH IS WHY REPORTS HE IS IN A CASH CRUNCH IS STRIKING. HE HAS SO FAR SPENT $800 MILLION. IT IS SUCH A MASSIVE NUMBER. WHERE IS THAT MONEY GOING? ADAV: A LOT OF IT IN ANY CAMPAIGN, NOT JUST RESIDENTIAL, BUT ANY LEVEL, GOES TO FUNDRAISING AND ADVERTISING.

THE AMOUNTS THE TRUMP CAMPAIGN HAS BEEN SPENDING ON THOSE HAVE BEEN HIGH, BUT EVERY ELECTION CYCLE GETS MORE EXPENSIVE, ADVERTISING GETS MORE EXPENSIVE. HIS CYCLE OF FUNDRAISING HAS BEEN DIFFICULT. IT IS NOT HUGELY SURPRISING THE CAMPAIGN IS SPENDING MORE IN 2020 THAN IT DID IN 2016. AMNA: YOU SAY FUNDRAISING HAS BEEN DIFFICULT. BUT ON THE DEMOCRATIC SIDE THEY ARE BREAKING RECORDS. WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE AUGUST FUNDRAISING NUMBERS FOR THE BIDEN CAMPAIGN, THEY RAISED $365 MILLION, MORE THAN DOUBLE WHAT HILLARY CLINTON RAISED IN AUGUST OF 2016, AND BROKE THE PREVIOUS ONE MONTH FUNDRAISING RECORD REACHED BY BARACK OBAMA AT $193 MILLION. WE SHOULD POINT OUT BIDEN HAS NOT SPENT NEARLY WHAT THE TRUMP CAMPAIGN HAS, $414 MILLION THROUGH JULY. HOW DO YOU EXPLAIN THAT DIFFERENTIAL? ARE THEY SPENDING MONEY DIFFERENTLY OR ON DIFFERENT THINGS? ADAV: THEY ARE SPENDING DIFFERENTLY, BUT NOT NECESSARILY ON DIFFERENT THINGS. MOST CAMPAIGNS, INCLUDING THOSE NOT AT THE PRESIDENTIAL LEVEL, SPEND MOST OF THEIR MONEY ON FUNDRAISING AND ADVERTISING. EACH CAMPAIGN MAKES ITS OWN STRATEGIC DECISIONS ABOUT WHEN AND WHERE TO ENGAGE IN THAT SPENDING. PART OF THE TRUMP CAMPAIGN’S DIFFICULTY APPEARS TO BE IT IS NOT HOSTING IN PERSON FUNDRAISERS, DUE TO THE PANDEMIC.

THAT IS WHERE THE BIG MONEY COMES IN. THAT IS WHERE THE WEALTHY DONORS CAN GIVE TENS OF THOUSANDS IF NOT HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS TO THE PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGNS AND PARTIES. THAT IS WHERE THEY LIKE TO GIVE. THE ABSENCE OF THOSE FUNDRAISERS SEEMS TO BE HURTING THE PRESIDENT’S REELECTION CAMPAIGN. AMNA: LET ME ASK YOU ABOUT TOTABLE — TOTAL AD CAMPAIGN FUNDING. THERE WAS A STUDY THAT FORECASTED IN 2020 TOTAL POLITICAL AD SPENDING WOULD HIT $9.9 BILLION IN 2020. THAT WAS FROM AN ADVERTISING FIRM. THAT WAS UP FROM THE PREVIOUS YEAR. IT MAKES THE 2008 TOTAL OF $11 — $1.1 BILLION LOOK LIKE CHUMP CHANGE. HOW IS THAT AMOUNT ACCELERATING SO QUICKLY? ADAV: IN THE CURRENT ERA, MUCH OF THE INCREASES DUE TO THE RISE OF OUTSIDE GROUPS LIKE SUPER PACK — SUPER PACS. THEY DID NOT AGREE — EXIST BEFORE THE SUPREME COURT RULED CORPORATE SPENDING DIRECTLY ON CAMPAIGNS WAS LEGAL. MOST OF THAT RISE IN THE LAST 10 YEARS HAS BEEN DRIVEN, A BIG PART OF IT, BY OUTSIDE SPENDING AND THE NEED TO COMPETE WITH OUTSIDE SPENDING. THAT NOT ONLY CAUSES CAMPAIGNS AND PARTIES TO NEED TO FUND RAISE MORE, BUT ALLOWS THE SELLERS OF ADVERTISING TO JACK UP THEIR RATES AND CREATES A CYCLE WHERE CAMPAIGNS NEED TO RAISE EVEN MORE.

AMNA: HAVE ABOUT A MINUTE LEFT. WANT TO ASK YOU ABOUT NEWS BLOOMBERG REPORTED, PRESIDENT TRUMP CONSIDER BRINGING IN HIS OWN MONEY, LENDING HIMSELF $100 MILLION FOR HIS OWN REELECTION CAMPAIGN. HE SAID HE DOES NOT NEED TO, BUT WILL SPEND WHATEVER IT TAKES. IS THAT UNPRECEDENTED FOR AN INCUMBENT PRESIDENT DID MAKE THAT MOVE? WHAT DOES THAT MEAN FOR FUTURE CAMPAIGNS? ADAV: IT IS CERTAINLY UNPRECEDENTED. PRIOR PRESIDENTS EVEN WHO HAD THE MEANS TOOK GREAT EFFORTS NOT TO, TO CO-MINGLE THERE PRESIDENCY WITH PERSONAL FUNDS. THERE IS A HISTORY GOING BACK TO THE 2016 CAMPAIGN OF THEN-CANDIDATE TRUMP SAYING HE WOULD SPEND A LOT OF MONEY IN SUPPORT OF HIS CAMPAIGN.

THE REALITY DID NOT ALWAYS MATCH THAT. THE TREND OF WEALTHY CANDIDATES SINKING A LOT OF MONEY INTO THEIR CAMPAIGNS IS TROUBLING. IT HEIGHTENS THE DISTINCTION BETWEEN OFFICEHOLDERS WHO ARE WEALTHY AND THE PEOPLE THEY REPRESENT. AS MORE AND MORE OFFICEHOLDERS ARE IN OFFICE BECAUSE WEALTHY DONORS HAVE FUNDED THEIR CAMPAIGNS OR FUND THEM OUT OF THEIR OWN POCKETS, IT CREATES AN INCREASED DIVIDE BETWEEN CONSTITUENTS AND REPRESENTATIVES. AMNA: STILL SEVERAL WEEKS TO GO FOR THEM TO SPEND EVEN MORE MONEY. THE SENIOR DIRECTOR FROM THE CAMPAIGN LEGAL CENTER JOINING US TODAY, THANK YOU. ADAV: THANK YOU. ♪ JUDY: FEW PEOPLE HAVE BEEN AS FREQUENT A TARGET OF THE PRESIDENT’S IRE AS PETER STRZOK. THE FORMER FBI OFFICIAL WITH DECADES WORKING IN COUNTER-INTELLIGENCE, FOCUSING ON THREATS TO U.S.

NATIONAL SECURITY FROM RUSSIA AND OTHER COUNTRIES IS OFTEN AT THE CENTER OF A TWITTER FIRESTORM. THE ATTACKS ARE PROFESSIONAL, GIVEN HIS KEY ROLE IN THE INVESTIGATION OF HILLARY CLINTON’S EMAILS AND THE TRUMP CAMPAIGN’S CONNECTIONS WITH RUSSIA. AND THEY ARE PERSONAL, CENTERING ON HIS THEN EXTRA-MARITAL AFFAIR WITH CO-WORKER LISA PAGE AND THE TEXT MESSAGES THEY EXCHANGED DISPARAGING MR. TRUMP. STRZOK WAS FIRED IN 2018 AFTER AN INSPECTOR GENERAL EXPOSED THEIR CORRESPONDENCE. HE DISCUSSES ALL OF THIS AND MORE IN HIS NEW BOOK, “COMPROMISED: COUNTER-INTELLIGENCE AND THE THREAT OF DONALD J. TRUMP.” AND HE JOINS US PETER STRZOK, WELCOME TO THE “NEWSHOUR.” YOU HAVE BEEN THE TARGET OF THE PRESIDENT’S IRE. HE HAS CALLED YOU EVERYTHING IN THE BOOK, INCLUDING ACCUSING YOU OF TREASON. HE HAS TALKED ABOUT YOUR PERSONAL LIFE. MY QUESTION IS, WHY NOT SLIP QUIETLY AWAY? WHY WRITE A BOOK WHICH RE-RAISES THIS AND SUBJECTS YOU TO THESE QUESTIONS ALL OVER AGAIN? PETER: BECAUSE THE PRESIDENT’S RELATIONSHIP TO PRESSURE IS TOO IMPORTANT TO IGNORE.

WHEN YOU LOOK AT WHAT HE HAS WITH HIS RELATIONSHIP WITH RUSSIA, THE WAY HE EXPOSED HIMSELF TO BEING COMPROMISED, AND IT IS COMPROMISED, IT IS TOO IMPORTANT AN ISSUE FOR THE AMERICAN PUBLIC NOT TO UNDERSTAND HOW WE THOUGHT ABOUT THAT IN THE FBI IN 2016, UP TO AND THROUGH TODAY. JUDY: IN THE BOOK YOU WRITE ABOUT WHAT YOU CALL THE PRESIDENT’S LIES ABOUT HIS BUSINESS DEALINGS WITH THE RUSSIANS. HOW DID THAT COMPROMISE HIM? PETER: IT IS PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD. I WILL GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE. IF YOU LOOK AT THE CAMPAIGN TRAIL IN 2016, IN ONE SPEECH HE MADE A COMMENT TO THE CROWD I HAVE NO FINANCIAL DEALINGS WITH RUSSIA, NO RELATIONSHIP WHATSOEVER IN ANY FINANCIAL WAY. AT THE EXACT SAME MOMENT HIS PERSONAL ATTORNEY MICHAEL COHEN IS MAKING A DEAL FOR TRUMP TOWER MOSCOW, WHICH CONTINUED THROUGHOUT THE CAMPAIGN AND LATER INTO THE SUMMER.

THE ISSUE WITH THAT IS, WHEN HE SAYS THAT, IT IS A LIE. VLADIMIR PUTIN KNOWS IT IS A LIE. CERTAINLY PRESIDENT TRUMP KNEW IT WAS A LIE. AND AT THE TIME THE FBI KNEW IT WAS A LIE. WHAT THAT DOES, IN ORDER TO MAINTAIN THAT LIE, THOSE PARTIES HAVE TO BE COMPLICIT. PRESIDENT TRUMP, THE MOMENT HE SAYS THAT, KNOWS RUSSIA CAN OUT OF THAT LIE ANYTIME THEY WANT. THAT GIVES THEM LEVERAGE OVER HIM AND THE ABILITY TO INFLUENCE HIS BEHAVIOR. JUDY: WHEN THE PRESIDENT AND HIS ALLIES COME AFTER YOU RELENTLESSLY FOR THESE TEXT MESSAGES YOU EXCHANGED WHERE YOU ARE CRITICIZING THE PRESIDENT, THEY SAY THIS SHOWS PERSONAL BIAS AGAINST THE PRESIDENT.

AT ONE POINT YOU WROTE “WE WILL STOP IT” WHEN THE QUESTION OF WHETHER THE PRESIDENT COULD BE ELECTED OR NOT BACK IN 2016 — WHY SHOULDN’T SOMEONE LOOK AT THIS AND SAY, THIS IS SOMEONE WHO CAN BE TRUSTED, WHO HAD A PERSONAL BIAS GOING INTO THIS INVESTIGATION? PETER: HERE IS THE BOTTOM LINE TRUTH. THROUGHOUT 2016 I KNEW THINGS ABOUT TRUMP AND HIS CAMPAIGN THAT ABSOLUTELY WOULD HAVE KILLED HIS ELECTORAL CHANCES. ALL OF US WORKING ON THE CHANCES NEW THINGS THAT HAD WE GONE TO THE MEDIA, HAD WE GONE TO CONGRESS, IT WOULD HAVE DESTROYED, POTENTIALLY IRREPARABLY, HIS CAMPAIGN. AS WE STAND NOW GOING INTO 2020 I MATERIAL THAT IS DAMAGING. WE HAVE NEVER DISCLOSED THAT. THE IDEA THAT SOMEHOW WE WANTED TO DO THAT FLIES IN THE FACE OF COMMON SENSE. FURTHERMORE, THERE HAVE BEEN EXHAUSTIVE INVESTIGATIONS. HAN INSPECTOR GENERAL LOAD — INVESTIGATIONS, BY BOTH THE HOUSE AND SENATE.

ALL OF THESE HAVE UNIVERSALLY FOUND THERE WAS NO INVESTIGATIVE ACTION EVER TAKEN BASED ON IMPROPER POLITICAL CONSIDERATIONS. JUDY: YOU ALSO WRITE IN THE BOOK, THE RUSSIANS ARE COMING AT THE UNITED STATES ELECTIONS IN 2020 WITH A VENGEANCE. BASED ON WHAT YOU KNOW, WHAT ARE THE RUSSIANS UP TO RIGHT NOW? PETER: A LOT OF THAT IS CLASSIFIED AND REMAINS CLASSIFIED AND I CANNOT TALK ABOUT. WHAT I CAN SAY, WE KNOW SOME OF THE THINGS THEY DID IN 2016. EXPLOITING SCHISMS IN THE SOCIETY OF SOCIAL MEDIA, [INDISCERNIBLE] [NO AUDIO] VOTING SYSTEMS, TO ALL THE TRADITIONAL THINGS INTELLIGENCE SERVICES DO TO RECRUIT PEOPLE. IT IS SAFE TO SAY, WE THOUGHT THE RUSSIANS WOULD DO SOME THINGS IN 2016 THAT THEY DID NOT . MY BELIEF IS THAT THEY RETURNED SOME OF THOSE TECHNIQUES BACK AND SPENT THE LAST YEARS HONING THOSE ATTACKS AND TECHNIQUES THEY ARE USING NOW THAT WILL ONLY PICK UP STEAM AS WE APPROACH THE ELECTION AND CONTINUE WELL PAST THE ELECTION AS WE SORT OUT WHAT OCCURS AT THE BEGINNING OF NOVEMBER.

JUDY: CAN YOU BE ANY MORE SPECIFIC? THE TRUMP INTELLIGENCE COMMUNITY, FOLKS AT THE TOP, ARE SAYING RIGHT NOW THAT CHINA AND IRAN ARE EVERY BIT AS BIG A THREAT TO THESE 2020 ELECTIONS AS ARE THE RUSSIANS. HOW DO YOU REACT TO THAT? PETER: MY EXPERIENCE OVER TWO DECADES IS, THAT IS ABSOLUTELY FALSE. WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE NATURE AND DEPTH OF WHAT RUSSIA IS DOING, THEY ARE ENGAGING THE AMERICAN ELECTORAL PROCESS IN A FUNDAMENTALLY GREATER AND MORE COMPLEX AND INTRUSIVE WAY THAN ANY OTHER NATION ON THE FACE OF THE EARTH. RUSSIA IS GETTING INTO OUR DOMESTIC POLITICS, SCHISMS, FOMENTING TENSIONS BETWEEN VARIOUS ELEMENTS OF SOCIETY IN AWAY THE CHINESE, IRANIANS AND OTHERS ARE NOT DOING. FOR THE ADMINISTRATION TO SUGGEST OTHERWISE IS MISLEADING. JUDY: DIFFERENT SUBJECT BUT SOMETHING YOU WRITE ABOUT IN THE BOOK, THE INVESTIGATION INTO FORMER SECRETARY OF STATE HILLARY CLINTON’S EMAILS. YOU WENT ON IN THAT CONNECTION TO WRITE, FORMER FBI DIRECTOR JAMES COMEY MADE DECISIONS AROUND THAT INVESTIGATION THAT YOU SAY ULTIMATELY HURT HILLARY CLINTON’S CHANCES IN THAT ELECTION, HELPED PRESIDENT TRUMP.

YOU SAID AS MUCH AS IT PAINS ME TO ADMIT IT, THE RUSSIANS WERE NOT THE ONLY ONES THAT PUSHED THE NEEDLE TOWARD TRUMP. THE BUREAU DID, TOO. THAT IS QUITE AN ACKNOWLEDGMENT. PETER: IT IS. THERE HAS BEEN A LOT OF INTROSPECTION BY THOSE OF US ON THAT TEAM WITH COMEY. HINDSIGHT IS 20/20. IT IS AN UNFAIR PERSPECTIVE TO LOOK BACK. WHEN YOU HAD AN ELECTION WHERE THE NUMBER OF SWING VOTERS BETWEEN MICHIGAN, WISCONSIN AND PENNSYLVANIA COULD FIT IN ONE FOOTBALL STADIUM FOR ONE GAME, THAT IS A RAZOR THIN MARGIN. IT TAKES JUST A TINY BIT OF INFLUENCE TO MOVE THAT ONE WAY OR ANOTHER. LOOKING BACK, WHEN DIRECTOR COMEY ANNOUNCED THEY WERE REOPENING THE INVESTIGATION IN OCTOBER, THAT WAS SET INTO MOTION BY THE DECISION TO MAKE THE SPEECH IN JULY. LOOKING BACK I AND OTHERS HAD SIMILAR THOUGHTS. I WOULD HAVE ADVOCATED MORE FORCEFULLY NOT TO MAKE THE SPEECH IN JULY. JUDY: YOU HAD A SUCCESSFUL TWO DECADE CAREER AT THE FBI. IT ENDED IN A WAY THAT EMBARRASSED YOU, LEFT YOU HUMILIATED. DO YOU ACKNOWLEDGE YOUR OWN ACTIONS, IN THEIR WAY, FRANKLY ADD UP TO THE AMERICAN PEOPLE HAVING LESS CONFIDENCE IN THE FBI, BECAUSE OF WHAT THEY SAW HERE? PETER: I DEEPLY REGRET THE WAY MY ACTIONS WERE USED TO HARM THE FBI AND CERTAINLY ATTACK AND HARM MY FAMILY, ALL THE THINGS I LOVE THE MOST IN THE WORLD.

I WOULD TELL YOU THIS. THE AMERICAN PEOPLE SHOULD UNDERSTAND ALL OF OUR WORK, MY WORK, WAS DONE IN AN OBJECTIVE, APOLITICAL WAY. THAT IS EXACTLY THE SAME WAY EVERYBODY ELSE IN THE FBI DID THEIR WORK. THAT IS THE STANDARD WE HOLD OURSELVES TO. EVERYONE HAS A PERSONAL OPINION. EACH AND EVERY ONE OF US, WHEN WORKING AT THE FBI, WHEN YOU WALK IN THE DOOR YOU PUT THAT ASIDE AND DO YOUR JOB OBJECTIVELY. THE WORK OF PARTISANS TO UNDERMINE THAT FUNDAMENTAL UNDERSTANDING OF HOW THE FBI WORKS HAS BEEN REALLY DAMAGING. I REGRET THE ENTIRE EXPERIENCE AND OF THE WAY IT HAS UNFOLDED AND THE WAY PEOPLE HAVE USED THAT TO ATTACK THE BUREAU. JUDY: STRZOK PETER STRZOK, THE BOOK IS “COMPROMISED: COUNTERINTELLIGENCE AND THE THREAT OF DONALD J. TRUMP.” THANK YOU FOR TALKING WITH US. PETER: THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME. ♪ JUDY: WE ARE ALL LOOKING FOR ANSWERS IN THIS PANDEMIC. SWEDEN TOOK A DIFFERENT TACK, NOT SHUTTING DOWN, TRUSTING CITIZENS TO FOLLOW SOCIAL DISTANCING ON THEIR OWN. AND PUTTING A PRIORITY ON SO-CALLED “HERD IMMUNITY.” THE IDEA IS TO EXPOSE AS MANY AS POSSIBLE TO THE VIRUS.

THE RESULTS WERE MIXED. SPECIAL CORRESPONDENT MALCOLM BRBANT REPORTS ON HOW THE GAMBLE HAS PLAYED OUT. MALCOLM: SWEDEN WAS WIDELY CRITICISED FOR PADDLING AGAINST THE WORLDWIDE LOCKDOWN TIDE, BUT NOW THERE’S A SENSE OF VINDICATION. AROUND THE WORLD ECONOMIES ARE STRUGGLING TO STAY AFLOAT, THE EUROZONE’S SHRUNK BY 12%, BUT SWEDEN’S HIT IS LESS THAN 9%. AS FOR COVID, SWEDEN HAS GONE FROM BEING ONE OF THE MOST INFECTIOUS EUROPEAN NATIONS, TO ONE OF THE SAFEST. >> RIGHT NOW WE SEEM TO BE IN A FAIRLY GOOD POSITION. WE SEE A STEADY DECLINE IN THE NUMBER OF CRITICALLY ILL PATIENTS AND DEATHS SINCE MID APRIL.

MALCOLM: INFECTIOUS DISEASES SPECIALIST ANNA MIA EKSTROM THINKS SWEDEN WAS RIGHT TO TRUST PEOPLE TO SOCIALLY DISTANCE. >> HARD LOCKDOWNS ARE UNSUSTAINABLE OVER ANY EXTENDED PERIOD OF TIME IN A FREE SOCIETY. SO UNLESS YOU FIND AN ACCEPTABLE LEVEL OF RESTRICTIONS AND RECOMMENDATIONS THAT PEOPLE CAN UNDERSTAND AND SUPPORT, I DON’T THINK YOU CAN SUSTAIN A LOCKDOWN. MALCOLM: DURING APRIL SWEDEN SUFFERED MORE THAN A HUNDRED DEATHS A DAY. IN ALL, THERE HAVE BEEN MORE THAN 5800 SWEDISH FATALITIES. SWEDEN RANKS 11TH IN THE WORLD, ONE PLACE BEHIND THE U.S., IN TERMS OF DEATHS PER 100,000. ANDERS TEGNELL HAS RUN THE SWEDISH OPERATION. HIS AIM HAS BEEN TO CREATE EXTENSIVE IMMUNITY. HE CALCULATED THAT LAW ABIDING SWEDES WOULD FOLLOW HEALTH GUIDELINES AND AS A RESULT THERE WOULD ONLY BE A SOFT SPREAD OF THE VIRUS. >> THE MOST IMPORTANT DEVELOPMENT RIGHT NOW IS THAT THE INFECTIONS RATES HAVE COME DOWN AND ARE CONTINUING IS THAT A LARGE PART OF THE POPULATION HAS IMMUNITY. MALCOLM: ALONG WITH OTHER COUNTRIES SWEDEN AIMED TO EASE , PRESSURE ON ITS HOSPITALS.

>> SWEDISH HEALTH CARE IS ONE OF THE BEST IN THE WORLD AND CONTINUES TO BE MALCOLM: MALCOLM: LIKE THAT. THIS LOCAL GOVERNMENT PROMOTIONAL VIDEO PAINTS AN IDEALISED PORTRAIT OF SWEDISH RETIREMENT, BUT THE COVID REALITY WAS CARNAGE. 90% OF SWEDEN’S FATALITIES WERE AGED OVER 70, HALF WERE IN NURSING HOMES. OXYGEN WAS NOT PROVIDED. INSTEAD, SENIORS WERE GIVEN MORPHINE TO EASE THE PAIN OF RESPIRATORY FAILURE. >> I REALLY DO MOURN THE LOSS OF THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE IN SWEDEN WHO DIED, WHO MIGHT NOT HAVE DONE HAD WE HAD A MORE AGGRESSIVE STRATEGY TOWARDS COVID-19. MALCOLM: PROFESSOR PAUL FRANKS IS AN EPIDEMIOLOGIST IN SOUTHERN SWEDEN. >> DEATH FROM COVID-19 IS A MISERABLE WAY TO GO OUT. THERE IS NO LAST TOUCH OF THE SKIN OR QUIET WORDS IN THE EAR. MALCOLM: ANOTHER PROFESSOR, YNGVE GUSTAFFSON, TOLD A NEWSPAPER THAT NURSING HOME DEATHS AMOUNTED TO ACTIVE EUTHANASIA. GENERAL PRACTITIONER JON TALLINGER RESIGNED FROM THE SWEDISH HEALTH SERVICE IN PROTEST. >> WHAT I SAW IN MY INNER EYE, SO TO SPEAK, WAS THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE SUFFOCATING TO DEATH, WITH THESE INSTRUCTIONS THAT CAME RIGHT FROM THE VERY TOP. MALCOLM: FOR TALLINGER, THIS VIDEO WAS THE SMOKING GUN.

IT ISSUED INSTRUCTIONS TO SWEDISH CARE STAFF. THERE WAS NO SUGGESTION OF SENDING PATIENTS TO HOSPITAL. INSTEAD, IT PRESCRIBED MORPHINE AND A USED IN END-OF-LIFE PALLIATIVE CARE. >> THE SWEDISH HEALTH CARE WAS NOT OVERWHELMED BECAUSE THEY DIDN’T SEND ANYONE TO THE HOSPITAL. THEY DIED IN THEIR HOMES AND THE CARE HOMES. MALCOLM: WHAT DO YOU MAKE OF THESE CLAIMS THAT SWEDISH AUTHORITIES BASICALLY SACRIFICED PEOPLE IN NURSING HOMES? >> IN MARCH, NOBODY KNEW WHAT WAS HAPPENING, RIGHT? THE WORLD WAS IN DISARRAY. EVEN THE BEST EXPERTS DIDN’T KNOW WHAT WAS HAPPENING SO PEOPLE WERE AT THE VERY BEST MAKING EDUCATED GUESSES HOW TO PROCEED. SWEDEN MADE ITS EDUCATED GUESSES. MALCOLM: ACROSS THE BRIDGE, DENMARK IMPOSED A TOTAL LOCKDOWN EARLY IN THE PANDEMIC. THUS FAR, ITS DEATH RATE, 100,000, IS 1/5’S. BUT IN THE PAST FEW DAYS, ITS INFECTION RATE HAS RISEN ABOVE SWEDENS, POSSIBLY BECAUSE DENMARK HAS NOW TESTED A THIRD OF ITS 5.6 MILLION POPULATION.

IN A SIGNIFICANT REVERSE PEOPLE , IN THE CITIES OF COPENHAGEN AND ODENSE ARE BEING URGED TO WORK FROM HOME. >> IN THE SHORT TERM IT IS CLEAR WE HAVE BEEN GOING THROUGH THE FIRST WAVE IN A BETTER SORT OF PUBLIC SENSE COMPARED TO SWEDEN BUT THE JURY’S STILL OUT HERE. MALCOLM: PROFESSOR JENS LUNDGREN IS AN INFECTIOUS DISEASES SPECIALIST, AND LEADING A TRIAL OF A DRUG FORMULATED TO FIGHT COVID. HE HAS SYMPATHY FOR SWEDEN. DANISH CARE HOMES ALSO SUFFERED. >> YOU COULD BE INFECTIOUS WITHOUT HAVING SYMPTOMS. THEREFORE, THE PERSONNEL THAT COMES TO NURSING HOMES, THEY ARE THE POTENTIAL SOURCE OF INFECTION AND ESSENTIALLY BRINGS THE INFECTION INTO THE NURSING HOME. WE HAD NOT THOUGHT ABOUT THAT. IT’S NOW ABUNDANTLY CLEAR THAT IT CAN HAPPEN.

AS A CONSEQUENCE YOU WANT TO TEST THE PERSONNEL BEFORE THEY COME IN. I THINK WE’RE IN A MUCH BETTER SPACE NOW. MALCOLM: IN DENMARK, STATE FIGURES SHOW 50% OF ALL INFECTIONS OCCURRED AMONGST ETHNIC MINORITIES WHO COMPRISE JUST 9% OF THE OVERALL POPULATION. PRIME MINISTER METTE FREDERIKSEN. >> WHEN WE LOOK AT THE NUMBERS IN DENMARK IN A SOBER MANNER, THERE ARE DEFINITELY TOO MANY PEOPLE WITH A NON WESTERN BACKGROUND WHO ARE INFECTED. OF COURSE WE MUST ADDRESS THIS IN A DECENT WAY BUT THE NUMBERS HAVE TO COME OUT SO WE CAN COMBAT THE VIRUS. MALCOLM: BUT SOCIAL WORKER UZMA AHMED, A RACIAL EQUALITY ACTIVIST, IS WORRIED THAT ETHNIC MINORITIES ARE BEING STIGMATIZED. >> PEOPLE WHO DRIVE THE BUSES, THEY ARE BEING BLAMED FOR BRINGING IN CORONA INSTEAD OF SAYING HEY, THESE THE PEOPLE WHO , ARE ACTUALLY WORKING WHILE OTHERS ARE KEEPING THEMSELVES SAFE. WE HAVE A VERY TURNED AROUND LOGIC, I WOULD SAY, THAT SERVES THE PURPOSE OF FINDING SCAPEGOATS.

MALCOLM: THE AUTHORITIES SAY PRAYER SESSIONS LIKE THIS, BREACHING BANS ON MASS GATHERINGS, LED TO A CRACKDOWN IN DENMARK’S SECOND CITY, AARHUS. JYLLANDS POSTEN NEWSPAPER ALSO SHOWED A NUMBER OF CROWDED MUSLIM FUNERALS WHERE SOCIAL DISTANCING WAS IGNORED. BUT AREN’T THERE SOME COMMUNITIES WHICH JUST AREN’T ABIDING BY SOCIAL DISTANCING RULES? >> AARHUS IS NOT THE ONLY PLACE WHERE IT HAS HAPPENED AND WHERE THE SAME RESTRICTIONS ARE APPLIED, BUT WE DON’T TALK ABOUT THE RESTRICTIONS IN THE OTHER AREAS AS PERSONALISED AND AS SOMETHING THAT HAS GOT TO DO WITH CULTURE.

MALCOLM: SCANDINAVIA’S SUMMER IS NEARLY OVER. SOME EXPERTS FEAR THE COLD MAY REINVIGORATE THE VIRUS. YET BOTH SWEDEN AND DENMARK ARE RELATIVELY UPBEAT. ANDERS TEGNELL DOESN’T EXPECT A SECOND WAVE. >> WE WILL HAVE THIS RATHER LOCAL OUTBREAK, NOT A COMPLETE WAVE OVER THE COUNTRY LIKE WE SEE NOW, BUT RATHER THIS LOCALIZED SMALLER OR BIGGER OUTBREAKS IN DIFFERENT PLACES. >> IT’S SAFE TO SAY THAT WITH THE ONGOING RESEARCH EFFORTS IN SIX MONTHS TIME FROM NOW, THINGS MAY ACTUALLY LOOK EVEN BETTER.

MALCOLM: AT THE START OF THE PANDEMIC DENMARK SEALED ITS BORDER WITH SWEDEN BECAUSE OF THE PERCEIVED RISK, BUT IN COVID’S VOLATILE NEW WORLD, THE THREAT FOR THE PBS NEWSHOUR I’M HAS BEEN REVERSED. FOR THE PBS NEWSHOUR I’M MALCOLM BRABANT. JUDY: FASCINATING REPORTING. WE THANK YOU. ON THE NEWSHOUR ONLINE RIGHT NOW, THERE ARE MANY WAYS TO MEASURE HEALTH, BUT COST OFTEN COMES TO THE FOREFRONT IN THE DEBATE ABOUT THE AMERICAN HEALTH CARE SYSTEM. HOW DOES THE U.S. TACK UP TO OTHER COUNTRIES? TAKE OUR QUIZ TO SEE FOR YOURSELF. THAT IS ON OUR WEBSITE, PBS.ORG/NEWSHOUR. THAT IS THE “NEWSHOUR” FOR TONIGHT. I AM JUDY WOODRUFF. JOIN US TOMORROW EVENING. FOR ALL OF US AT THE NEWSHOUR, PLEASE STAY SAFE AND WE WILL SEE YOU SOON. >> MAJOR FUNDING FOR THE “PBS NEWSHOUR” HAS BEEN PROVIDED BY — ♪ >> WHEN THE WORLD GETS COMPLICATED, A LOT GOES THROUGH YOUR MIND. WITH FIDELITY WEALTH MANAGEMENT, AN ADVISER CAN TAILOR ADVICE AND RECOMMENDATIONS TO YOUR LIFE. THAT IS FIDELITY WEALTH MANAGEMENT. ♪ >> CONSUMER CELLULAR.

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>> THE U.S. IS STILL NOT TESTING PER CAPITA. JUDY: AND GET YOU INFORMATION YOU CAN TRUST. YOU SHOULD EXPECT NOTHING LESS. WE ARE. >> WE ARE. >> WE ARE PBS. JUDY: WEEKNIGHTS ON PBS. ♪ >> YOU ARE WATCHING PBS..

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